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Re: If you've read EE5 -- Pike's torture and Sicarius
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2012, 08:24:42 pm »
On Pike's torture to Sicarius, after reading those chapters my opinion of Sicarius has changed a lot. I didn't think a lot about it, but I'm wondering what kept him going until that sense of duty was drilled into him. Only survival instinct? How was he not suicidal?? He is not vengeful or anything either.

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before they met in Chapter 13, I was very skeptical about a lasting relationship with Amaranthe. I wasn't expecting his confessions at all.

I think he was, in the beginning. He was probably kept under watch and locked up so he couldn't hurt himself. Or maybe it didn't occur to him. He grew up with this; he's never known anything else, and he was probably very isolated. I wondered about that too, though, especially the being vengeful part, and I think it shows a lot of wisdom and maturity on his part. At what point did he decide that the past was the past, and that he should move forward? It probably had a lot to do with Sespian, but I don't think I'd be able to put that behind me.

Me either.

I'd love to know how Pike got that scar.

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Re: If you've read EE5 -- Pike's torture and Sicarius
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2012, 08:25:59 pm »
On Pike's torture to Sicarius, after reading those chapters my opinion of Sicarius has changed a lot. I didn't think a lot about it, but I'm wondering what kept him going until that sense of duty was drilled into him. Only survival instinct? How was he not suicidal?? He is not vengeful or anything either.

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before they met in Chapter 13, I was very skeptical about a lasting relationship with Amaranthe. I wasn't expecting his confessions at all.

I think he was, in the beginning. He was probably kept under watch and locked up so he couldn't hurt himself. Or maybe it didn't occur to him. He grew up with this; he's never known anything else, and he was probably very isolated. I wondered about that too, though, especially the being vengeful part, and I think it shows a lot of wisdom and maturity on his part. At what point did he decide that the past was the past, and that he should move forward? It probably had a lot to do with Sespian, but I don't think I'd be able to put that behind me.

Me either.

I'd love to know how Pike got that scar.

Yeah. And how old Sic was. And if Pike stopped "training" him after that.
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Re: If you've read EE5 -- Pike's torture and Sicarius
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2012, 08:26:59 pm »
On Pike's torture to Sicarius, after reading those chapters my opinion of Sicarius has changed a lot. I didn't think a lot about it, but I'm wondering what kept him going until that sense of duty was drilled into him. Only survival instinct? How was he not suicidal?? He is not vengeful or anything either.

Also
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before they met in Chapter 13, I was very skeptical about a lasting relationship with Amaranthe. I wasn't expecting his confessions at all.

I think he was, in the beginning. He was probably kept under watch and locked up so he couldn't hurt himself. Or maybe it didn't occur to him. He grew up with this; he's never known anything else, and he was probably very isolated. I wondered about that too, though, especially the being vengeful part, and I think it shows a lot of wisdom and maturity on his part. At what point did he decide that the past was the past, and that he should move forward? It probably had a lot to do with Sespian, but I don't think I'd be able to put that behind me.

Me either.

I'd love to know how Pike got that scar.

Yeah. And how old Sic was. And if Pike stopped "training" him after that.


Well, it's not exactly true canon... but something about that should be posted soon...
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Re: If you've read EE5 -- Pike's torture and Sicarius
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2012, 08:49:55 pm »
If was starting to feel a little pissed with Sic in EE4, but I am totally back in his camp now. I've been wanting him to grow up a little and I got a lot of that, more than I even hoped for, from EE5.

I think that he's still got a long way to go, but that he can be good for Am and he can have something kind of sort of like a normal life.

And what's up with this 'he's almost over the hill' stuff? Seriously? Starcrest was 7-10 years older in Encrypted than Sic is in EE, and Starcrest is totally bonecrushingly hot. (Can you deny it?)
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Re: If you've read EE5 -- Pike's torture and Sicarius
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2012, 08:59:10 pm »
Starcrest reminds me so much of Harrison Ford.  When he was younger, he was stunning...and even as get gets older, he's SO DAMN HOT. 

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Re: If you've read EE5 -- Pike's torture and Sicarius
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2012, 09:01:07 pm »
When it comes to hot older men, I'm more of a Sean Connery gal, myself.
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Re: If you've read EE5 -- Pike's torture and Sicarius
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2012, 09:05:49 pm »
I'd love to know how Pike got that scar.

I got the impression that one day Pike tried to rape him and Sicarius slashed him.  End of rape.
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Re: If you've read EE5 -- Pike's torture and Sicarius
« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2012, 09:07:52 pm »
I'd love to know how Pike got that scar.

I got the impression that one day Pike tried to rape him and Sicarius slashed him.  End of rape.

But what made him lash out and do it? And why not before?
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Re: If you've read EE5 -- Pike's torture and Sicarius
« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2012, 09:08:30 pm »
I'd love to know how Pike got that scar.

I got the impression that one day Pike tried to rape him and Sicarius slashed him.  End of rape.

That's pretty much what I gleaned
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Re: If you've read EE5 -- Pike's torture and Sicarius
« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2012, 09:08:55 pm »
I'd love to know how Pike got that scar.

I got the impression that one day Pike tried to rape him and Sicarius slashed him.  End of rape.

I like that idea.. *Slashes at Pike with knife* "F**k off. Forever"

Something along  what I'm imagining :)

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Re: If you've read EE5 -- Pike's torture and Sicarius
« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2012, 09:38:52 pm »
For some reason, I don't think it was a one time thing... but at some point, Sic got big enough that he retaliated... and then it stopped.
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Re: If you've read EE5 -- Pike's torture and Sicarius
« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2012, 10:19:16 pm »
But what made him lash out and do it? And why not before?

Oh, I'm sure he had tried before.  That was probably part of the training; pointing out to him that he wasn't good enough to defend himself.  When he was, it stopped because Pike didn't feel like dying.
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Re: If you've read EE5 -- Pike's torture and Sicarius
« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2012, 11:46:21 am »
I'm trying to work out the timeline; Pike was de-crested at some point, and it was because he went too far with his brutality.  Perhaps at around the same time that Sicarius scarred him?  Perhaps the two events aren't unconnected...?

Also, in a sad-but-human-nature kind of way, I'm thinking that a big reason that Sicarius was able to open up more to Amaranthe is precisely because she went through some of the same things he went through, at the hands of the same person. 
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Re: If you've read EE5 -- Pike's torture and Sicarius
« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2012, 11:49:31 am »
AS for the timeline, I always thought Pike lost his crest, then became Imperial interrogator, and only then did he meet Sicarius and trained him. So, it would have been before he got the scar. But now, I'm not so sure anymore, I would need to reread the books.
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Re: If you've read EE5 -- Pike's torture and Sicarius
« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2012, 11:49:50 am »
I think that Sic explained, maybe in EE4, that Pike was decrested and then came to work for the emperor.
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